On this week’s episode of The Waves, the next presidential election is one year away and we are entering a storm of macho man politics. Slate senior producer Cheyna Roth is joined by NPR politics reporter Danielle Kurtzleben to talk about why men keep talking about their manly-men bonafides, how that affects women trying to be in politics, and more.

More From Danielle and Mentioned in the Episode:

All the Things I Wish Someone Had Told Me Before I Gave Birth by Danielle Kurtzleben
The Race I Will Watch Most Closely in 2024 (Besides President) by Danielle Kurtzleben
A Professional Lady Correspondent Stares Down Motherhood by Danielle Kurtzleben
Male Democratic Candidates Will Have To Answer Gender Role Questions In 2020 Race by Danielle Kurtzleben
How 2022 Became the Year of Over-the-Top Masculinity in Politics by Bill Donahue

In Slate Plus: A check-in on new mom Danielle and whether she has in fact become a “mom” or just a person with a kid.

If you liked this episode, check out: Are “Cool Moms” A Menace?

Podcast production by Cheyna Roth and Vic Whitley-Berry with editorial oversight by Daisy Rosario and Alicia Montgomery.

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